[Wftl-lug] Bye bye desktop Linux

[Patrick Green]

Michael,

Please understand, I am not trying to engage you in a debate and I
understand that you have your mind made up, but I have to
take-respectful-issue that this is an all problematic thing and Linux is
broken for the desktop.

There are millions using it and many of them are far below your expertise
level.

Yeah, sounds like you have had a comedy of errors here, and you have found
an issue in which you are not the only one struggling.  But if you take a
step back, there are known problems with every OS at one time or another
that affect many people with a certain type of hardware.  There are many
Vista users waiting to plug their first generation ZUNE player in, along
with popular printers, etc.  Heck, every so often an asus momma board hits
the streets and has driver issues with XP.  The reason, as you know, is that
motherboards have 90 day production cycles.  Sometimes the same model number
will have enough component differences that the same drivers do not work.
That is not a Linux issue, that is just one of the fun perks in the industry
that keeps IT departments all over the world well staffed. ;)

On 6/20/07, Michael Willems <michael at willems.ca> wrote:
>
>  Christian,
>
> Oh, I know about OS's - again, been installing them since 1980, long
> before Windows (CP/M was an upgrade from OSI for me). But it should not be
> "hardship".. in 2007, there is just no excuse for an install that dumps you
> into:
>
> /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off
> (initramfs)
>
> ..and if 12,000 other people experience the same issue, that's rather a
> lot of hardship.
>
> I was going to move my wife FROM Windows to Linux. But evidently that
> failed, and it really isn't worth another evening of my time (which I have
> now spent on it with zero result), let alone even more. Sure, no doubt I can
> work on this for two weeks and get it working, but that is exactly the sort
> of thing that makes Linux not a credible desktop option... and it's pretty
> much the same every time, unfortunately.
>
> As for Win-centric apps: maybe, but not MS-centric. My wife only runs
> email, OOo and Firefox. one of which are from Redmond.
>
> Cheers,
> Michael
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Christian Einfeldt <einfeldt at gmail.com>
> *To:* The WFTL LUG <wftl-lug at salmar.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 20, 2007 22:48
> *Subject:* Re: [Wftl-lug] Bye bye desktop Linux
>
> hi
>
> On 6/20/07, Michael Willems <michael at willems.ca> wrote:
> >
> > Fabian,
> >
> > > How a serious hardware problem makes Ubuntu "crapware" really beats
> > > me. I'd love to hear how that same machine ends up running any other
> > OS.
> >
> > I am sure that it will install and run Windows no problem. After I get
> > to
> > the store, I'll let you know...
> >
>
> Michael, it is true that FOSS is not for everyone.  But before I cough up
> the money for Windows, I personally would try running a live CD with some
> type of Linux on it, to see if that helps you.  And if that live CD runs on
> that box, then you might try installing it.
>
> Also, Michael, remember that an OS can sometimes be like a relationship
> with a significant other:  sure, there are times when you just want to walk
> away, but remember that any other woman will have different issues.  People
> are complex, and so are computers.  Sometimes leaving a lover and starting a
> new relationship will solve problems.  But other times, new problems crop
> up.  And I am not sure that the Windows community is as helpful as the FOSS
> community. I personally would rather have the frustrations of Linux and get
> the FOSS community, than have Windows and its problems.  But I acknowledge
> that Windows is the right choice for some people..
>
> One other thing:  If you choose Windows, you are making a more long-term
> commitment to Windows-centric applications.  I chose the Debian pool and all
> the apps that I can run for free as in beer.  And, again, I get the feeling
> that those programs are really mine, not rented.  For me, that is worth the
> hardship.
>
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